Match DQ

[Kid Ziggy]

So thought I would share some thoughts about my MDQ today.  Thankfully nobody got hurt as I discharged a round at the loading table.  Still not sure how it happened other than in the act of lowering the hammer on what I thought was an empty chamber ... the hammer got away from me and struck a live round.

The mistake I made (and hopefully won't again) was not focusing only on what I was doing but rather some chit-chat.  It is all on me - I know better that when handling firearms there is no room for not paying close attention to what is happening.  At most of the bigger shoots there is very little 'chatter' at the loading table.  Most of the better shooters want that time to focus on the stage and don't want any interruptions.  My bad today and I am going to work hard to do better!

Offered to stay with the posse but Lightening had plenty of help and was kind enough to let me head home. 


Regarding the format of (2) stages at one bay.   I have enjoyed the Tue matches using that format that I have gone to.  The only negative (for me) is that the stages have tended to be very similar.   

[TN Mongo]

Sorry you had that mishap.  Thankfully no one was hurt and you learned a valuable lessen.

I shot a great match today only to discover on the loading table of my last stage that I had two pistols full of brass.  Talking and not checking my revolvers cost me a top 10 finish.

[Keystone]

Dang,

Loading table is not a place for much idle chatter. I will mostly ignore someone wanting to engage in conversation until all my firearms are loaded and then keep it to a minimum. A tough lesson for Ziggy but a casual reminder for loading table officers.

Mongo, had the same thing happen twice over the last two years at two different venues. If someone interrupts me while unloading I automatically double check pistols for being cleared. I lost a sub-20 sec. clean stage on one occurrence.

Hasta Luego, Keystone

[Anita Margarita]

On loading table safety:  Idle chatter or not, this kind of thing can happen and points out why it is also important to keep your hands and arms out of the way of others' guns at the loading and unloading table (and of course, keep your own guns pointed at a safe angle while loading).

On unloading table safety: I had a spate of "not unloading the pistols" incidents about a year ago and knew I had to change my focus.  Sometimes an Unloading Table Officer will ask in an apologetic way to see a gun again and I always say, "Please, don't apologize. You are doing me a favor to make sure my guns are empty. You could be saving me from a SDQ." 

AM

[Fast Harley]

Sorry about the MDQ, Ziggy.
Yesterday must have been the day for talking and not focusing at the loading ( or unloading) table.
I usually don't talk at the table, however, yesterday I did and didn't LOAD my pistols! Revolvers were
first so no rounds downrange and I took the do over. What I should have done was shoot the long guns
and take the 10 misses to help remind myself in future!
Harley.

[River Jordan]

so I am curious about the do over policy ----if the rifle was first and you had shot some rounds and THEN discovered an empty brace of pistols---what happens at our range?

would it be 10 misses and a "P" ?

is a do over only intended for mechanical failure?     

[Tombstone]

Sorry to hear about the AD at the Loading Table, glad no one was hurt.

In Harleys instance, even in a "no alibi" match he would have gotten a do over as he called it per SASS rules. Since no round had gone down range it would have been his call, if the rifle had been first he would have ate 10 rounds but not a P, at our match he would have been offered a re-shoot.

I would love to see reshoot go away but that is just my view.

[Keystone]

Howdy,

Thought a reshoot, after a round went down range, was for ammo or firearm malfunction and not for brain malfunction. Would have called 10 misses for unloaded pistols after round went down range. Agree on reshoot for Harley since no round went down range and unloaded pistols were first firearm to be shot.

Hasta Luego, Keystone

[Jackalope]

...I would love to see reshoot go away but that is just my view.

I agree 100%!  I really don't think a re-shoot should be offered for ammo/equipment malfunctions.  Correct your reliability issues before match day and don't subject the rest of the posse just because your stuff doesn't work.

Just to be clear, Harley did not have a re-shoot.  He had a re-start.  No shot downrange=the stage did not begin.

Jackalope

[Judge Duncan]

...I would love to see reshoot go away but that is just my view.

I agree 100%!  I really don't think a re-shoot should be offered for ammo/equipment malfunctions.  Correct your reliability issues before match day and don't subject the rest of the posse just because your stuff doesn't work.

Just to be clear, Harley did not have a re-shoot.  He had a re-start.  No shot downrange=the stage did not begin.

Jackalope

I agree 100%... the do over/ restart for equipment or ammo malfunction should GO AWAY!!!!

After all,  if you were in a gunfight back in the Wild Wild West , what are ya gonna do? Call a TIME OUT.  My weapons locked up or my ammo didn't go off! HAHAHA!  If you are going against me, you be DRT ( Dead Right There )

[River Jordan]

there certaintly is a valid argument to eliminate re shoots for mechanical problems.  Reliabilty is indeed a consideration in any sport. Consider any type of racing wherein the technology must be maintained and reliable in order to win

[Keystone]

Well,

We are not in a gunfight nor are we training folks to be in a gunfight, that would be more like IDPA, cover & concealment. Many shooters are not vying for a top ten finish & only have one opportunity per month to enjoy being a cowboy/cowgirl and shooting single action firearms. To these shooters it isn't about preparing for larger annual multi-day matches. Let's not forget that beyond safety it's fun & comradery that are the best part of the CAS/ SASS monthly match and not all out competition. If CAS was only about the top performing competitors we would have one posse of 10-15 shooters. You do not have to choose using a reshoot or restart. I guess I see a single reshoot as an available courtesy at monthly matches. I have never been to a larger match where someone had a ammo or firearm problem & stated, "what about my reshoot". Come on, it isn't that big of a problem.

Hasta Luego, Keystone

[Cumberland Mtn John]

Howdy,

I concur with the sentiments expressed by Keystone.

CMJ

[Judge Duncan]

Keystone,

You are the head honcho in charge and we play by your rules.

All I'm saying and it doesn't have a thing to do with going to big shoots or being in the top 10 at a monthly match.

The only place I have ever seen a reshoot is at the clubs in Tennessee that I shoot at.

Nowhere else that I have ever shot a monthly match have I experienced a reshoot for ammo or mechanical failure.

I totally agree about shooting with your friends and the comrade we enjoy. But, I'm gonna have fun even if I don't hsve the option to reshoot the stage.